中文|English

2BizBox ERP

View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:00 pm



Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
 Version 5.0 Now Available! (Chinese Forum) 
Author Message
Registered User

Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:57 am
Posts: 168
Location: Long Island, NY
Post Version 5.0 Now Available! (Chinese Forum)
To The 2BizBox Team - Thank You!


Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:15 am
Profile
Registered User

Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:57 am
Posts: 11
Post Re: Version 5.0 Now Available! (Chinese Forum)
Doug wrote:
To The 2BizBox Team - Thank You!

When it available here.

I am not able to download from Chinese Forum


Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:34 am
Profile
Registered User

Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:57 am
Posts: 168
Location: Long Island, NY
Post Re: Version 5.0 Now Available! (Chinese Forum)
Unfortunately, it appears the English Forum will no longer be updated with the latest software releases. I can't be sure of that, but it is now lagging by "two releases", so you can draw your own conclusions. Technical support as well seems to now be focused only on the Chinese Forum. Not sure why you can't download Version 5.0 there, but you might try again. It worked for me using Google Chrome.

FWIW - I have been somewhat reluctant to respond to Billyray's question regarding my thoughts on Version 5.0, as I have been an avid fan and supporter of 2BizBox for several years now and hate to post anything too negative.... But I can tell you we have elected to stay with Version 4.6, as we have not found the whole MES Module making much sense to us.

While we have struggled at times understanding certain aspects of 2BixBoz functionality (as is to be expected with any commercial software package) - it has always helped enormously to know that the Serva Group was in fact behind its creation, and were using it themselves to run an impressive manufacturing entity. In many cases it was just a matter of simply appreciating a different way of accomplishing the same objective.

That being said, I would be shocked if the Serva Group itself was instrumental in the development of the MES Module, and even more shocked if they were/are actually using it to run their operation. Just my $.02


Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:03 am
Profile
Registered User

Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:21 am
Posts: 36
Post Re: Version 5.0 Now Available! (Chinese Forum)
Doug,

Can you briefly describe, what the MES Module is about?

The way I see it, it could be that the company have been using users like us to be beta testers. Once they are satisfied that the product is matured enough for use outside its own organization, they went ahead to market it. I think the strategy all along has been to capture the lucrative Chinese market. That's a pity because I think, the International market hold much more promise than the Chinese market alone. Not many SMEs can afford an SAP system.

My 2 cents of course.

_________________
Tim
For the responsibility, an engineer's pay is a joke.


Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:00 pm
Profile
Registered User

Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:57 am
Posts: 168
Location: Long Island, NY
Post Re: Version 5.0 Now Available! (Chinese Forum)
Tim

The critical component (for manufacturing companies) that has been missing in 2BizBox is the ability to compare “Actual Work Center resources” (machines and people) with “Planned Work Orders” (Work Instruction Sequence Estimates) - and being able to adjust those resources as required based on “shop floor reality”, so that all Work Orders remain on schedule, or as close as possible.

This is often referred to as a “Manufacturing Execution System” (MES), or “Finite Capacity Planning & Execution” - and without it, you have no idea whether you can actually produce all of the Work Orders planned in a complex/busy environment.

The “M2 Module” (now referred to as MES in Version 5.0) has been an attempt to accomplish this task - and I believe initially it was also an attempt to generate revenue, as it was originally being developed as a stand-alone “app” which they intended to sell.

FWIW - I “test-drove” the M2 App back in early 2015, and had a number of concerns, questions and suggestions. Unfortunately, I don’t think much of what I had to say was ever understood or acted upon (as evidenced by Version 5.0). And one thing I didn’t understand aside from numerous questions related to software functionality, was how they could sell any piece of software written in Java without triggering underlying licensing fees with Oracle or Sun. Never heard back on that either, but I do suspect it might have become an issue.

As I’ve already posted previously, I may be wrong, but I doubt very much the Serva Group, or anyone who actually runs a successful complex manufacturing operation was involved in the development of Version 5.0. The underlying design and functionality of this module is simply too much of a departure from everything developed before it, and I simply can’t make sense of it. Again - just my opinion.

Anyway, I can only guess the same as you, but it appears this whole project might be coming to an end, and I only hope I’m wrong. It has been such an amazing accomplishment to date (at least prior to Version 5.0), and while there are certainly a number of short-comings that need to be addressed, there is simply nothing else out there (regarding Manufacturing ERP) to my knowledge that even comes close.

I always thought this project was an ideal candidate for some type of corporate or even government sponsorship. Generating revenue through donations, and continuing to help manufacturing companies throughout the world for free. No politics, no greed, no hidden agendas. No need for a license of any kind (like it was before Version 5.0). Just an ongoing project focused entirely on creating and maintaining the very best world-class Manufacturing / Distribution ERP.

What an amazing idea to think about!

Best regards,

Doug


Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:52 pm
Profile
Registered User

Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:21 am
Posts: 36
Post Re: Version 5.0 Now Available! (Chinese Forum)
Yes, that would be an amazing idea. Alas, 2BizBox is not a community effort. I do not see an incentive for Serva to do that as I believe its ultimate aim is to profit from this enterprise. Giving software away is a novel idea but as Scott McNealy once asked, "How do we make money out of Java?". Well, this is not what Serva is doing. My take is that, the company had hoped to gain wide adoption of the product and profit from its adoption by users. For example, support is not free, cloud implementation is not free, Users Manual is not free. Serva has a great product. If only it could price as aggressively as Google, it WILL give SAP a run for the money.

_________________
Tim
For the responsibility, an engineer's pay is a joke.


Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:49 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 6 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware for PTF.

© 2BizBox All rights reserved